How Customers Get Fired
WARNING: The following exchange contains some rather strong language. We have not edited or censored this exchange so that you can better understand why we as a company decided to 'fire' a customer. You may want to consider that before reading further.[Feb. 3, 2020 - 5:23 PM] Unpublished Comment from Customer on Apex's Blog
[Feb. 4, 2020 - 6:22 AM] Email from Scott to Customer
This trigger after installation started out great, just as advertised. then after maybe 1000 pulls, it started changing feel, getting mushy and finally I realized that the . trigger break is all the way to the back of the frame and won’t even break sometimes!
This hunk of junk cost me over $100 at an online Apex dealer. after looking online and comparing prices and descriptions of aftermarket triggers after it had become clear that the 4.5 lb. pull on my 17 was stopping me from getting tight groupings in my target practice. I wish I had run across the information about the Glock minus connector before I paid $100 for this utter garbage. But I didn’t until after the apex went to crap and THEN I found information in multiple places about the Glock minus connector and how all the aftermarket brands are inferior to it.
Good Morning XXXX,
I received an email containing a blog post from you regarding your displeasure with our Glock trigger kit.
If you’re unhappy with your kit as your message suggests, I can recommend a few options.
1) Have you tried lubricating the connection between the trigger bar and connector? We’ve found that most people don’t lubricate this critical spot and galling occurs which makes the triggers feel pretty gritty. With some lubrication, they typically go back to feeling as expected. The Glock owner’s Manual recommends lubricating this area as well.
a) If that doesn’t fix the trigger pull, I can send you a new connector to try in your gun. Paired with good quality lubricant, that should fix the issue.
2) If you no longer want the kit, contact the dealer you purchased it through and request options from them.
As a side note, your post suggests you feel like our kit is only intended to bring the trigger pull weight down, which is not the case. If any customer wants to just reduce the trigger pull weight, a Minus connector is the way to go. If you want to make it so the factory trigger safety doesn’t dig into your trigger finger on recoil, then our trigger is what you’re looking for.
Let me know how you would like to proceed and I’ll do what I can to help you out.
Have a great day. Scott Folk Chief Operations Officer Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.[Feb. 4, 2020 - 7:31 AM] Email from Customer to Scott
[Feb. 4, 2020 - 7:40 AM] Email from Customer to Scott
Thank you for your reply. It is not a lubrication issue and never was because i liberally lubricate Everything and grittiness is not the problem. The problem is that this trigger wore out in two months after a max of 1500 activations.it got mushier and mushier at the break snd the takeup longer and longer until they point that last night, before i replaced it with an Oem Glock trigger and Minus connector, the break was all the way against the frame and therefore sometimes would not fire. Contrast that with the performancee and feel of the original 4.5 OEM trigger, which kept the exact same feel, the exact same takeup distance and the issue is clear to any honest person: the Apex triggers are vastly inferior ,overhyped,lied about as i invertantly did leaving reviews so when i first installed it and was pleased with it because i never imagined it would wear out IN 2 months! Nevertheless all is fine with my primary carry weapon now that removed the apex junk and reinstalled quality OEM parts, which freels and performs better in every way than the Apex trigger ever did, at half the cost.so my only problem now my only question is how i get my Wasted 100$ back for this junk? Because i dont rememeber where i bought it and didnt keep the receipt because i never dreamed a company would have the gall or the ability to successfully hawk such junk for such a price.
[Feb. 4, 2020 - 7:53 AM] Email from Scott to Customer
By the way, i immediately filed off the bullshit corners on the apex flat faced trigger that dug into my fingers and feel uncomfortable. I dont know what moron came up with this flat face square corner idiocy for triggers but it sucks and is the second time ive file them down . I did the same with the trigger on my ruger lcp custom.Even Glock is a bit moronic with the thin safety blade that is straight in the middle of the curved trigger. I filed that shit down smooth with the trigger face before installation last night.
Are you available for a phone call around 2PM(MST) today?[Feb. 4, 2020 - 2:11 PM] Email from Apex Customer Service to Customer
Thanks again for giving us a call. Please print and include the attached RMA with the 102-115 Action Enhancement Kit for the Gen 3/4 Glock. Once our Shipping Department receives and processes the return, we will send out the replacement kit. We will do our best to get it processed quickly, but it can take up to 3-5 business days to process depending on our workload. You will receive tracking information as soon as the new kit is ready to ship.
Someone from our Shipping Department will send you a return shipping label in a separate email this afternoon. Please let me know if you have questions or need any further assistance. Have a great day![Feb. 5, 2020 - 3:09 PM] Email from Customer to Scott
[Feb. 5, 2020 - 3:36 PM] Email from Scott to Customer
Fyi i bought the trigger at apex tactical and called and the cs rep was very nice as everyone has been buy he could locate my order which i think was made in early oct. Maybe he didnt look back far enough? The reason i bring this up is bcuz i have an rma and was promised a replacement which i agreed to because while i have all ready replaced it with suitable OEM parts, i have a part i paid over 100$ that failed and is therefore worthless. So my thinking was then that at least i could sell a new one on ebay and recoup some loss. But now i am requesting a refund in the amount of my original payment after i return it,if possible. Thank you.
Good Afternoon XXXX,
I understand that you’ve spoken to XXXX and XXXX in the past couple of days about this issue and I am aware that XXXX has issued an RMA to replace the kit you have not with a new one.
I’ll ask my staff to take another look in our system for you. If we can find the transaction in which you purchased the kit from us, I’d be happy to offer you a full refund. Could you have purchased it under another name, email or mailing address?
A purchase from our web page creates 3 emails, an order confirmation, account creation confirmation and a shipping notification, if you can find any of those to support your sale, that would be a huge help in finding your transaction. Maybe check your spam folder or other email addresses you may have.
Would you please send me your phone number and mailing address? I’d like to see if we our IT Manager can track you down in the web store separately from what CS has access to. Any other information you can provide me on the transaction when you purchased the kit would be helpful. PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME YOUR CREDIT CARD NUMBER, we do not have that on file and it would be a security risk for you to send it.
I understand your hesitance in working with aftermarket triggers at this point, especially after your first experience seemed to go so well at first then all of a sudden it wasn’t so good. Let me reassure you that this is not common by any stretch of the imagination. We have tens of thousands of our Glock kits in circulation, in use at every level from competitive shooters to SWAT teams and we’ve rarely had an issue with them. My primary goal is to make sure that everything works and lasts beyond the service life of the gun it’s installed into. The issue you’re experiencing is one which I’m personally looking into as I would like to know what caused it so we can prevent it from happening.
Thanks and have a great day. Scott Folk Chief Operations Officer Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.[Feb. 5, 2020 - 4:05 PM] Email from Customer to Scott
[Feb. 5, 2020 - 4:24 PM] Email from Scott to Customer
I alll ready gave the info to XXXX i think but it is [address, phone number and email address removed]. based upon your response, can i expected that apex will analyze the failed parts when you receive it to find out why and howbit wore out and failed in such a short time?
Thank you for sending that over. I’ll dig into this and get back to you if we can find you in our systems anywhere.
You are correct, my plan is to analyze the parts, run through our inspection first article process to determine if they’re in spec, then install them as is into on of our test guns and see if we can recreate the problem you described.
Scott Folk Chief Operations Officer Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.[Feb. 7, 2020 - 9:58 AM] Email from Scott to Customer
Thank you for your patience in all of this. I’ve worked with IT and Finance in the attempt to find your purchase with us and we’re unable to find any record of you purchasing anything from us. We looked through the Webstore Database and credit card processing system for your name, email, phone and mailing address, but nothing has come up.
If you can find a paper copy of the paperwork that come with the parts, one of our system generated emails about that transaction or in the most extreme case, a (partially redacted) credit card statement that shows you had a purchase from us, I can offer you a refund. Without anything to verify you bought from us, all I can do is offer you a credit of equal value to what you’re returning to us or a replacement so you can do as you wish with it.
I understand that XXXX has sent you an RMA to return the parts to us for replacement, have you sent them out yet? I’m only asking because I want to keep an eye out for their arrival.
Have a great weekend. Scott Scott Folk Chief Operations Officer Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.[Feb. 22, 2020 - 11:21 AM] Email from Customer to Apex Customer Service
[Feb. 24, 2020 - 10:25 AM] Email from Apex Customer Service to Customer
"I got the package and have to ask why you people like wasting money sending half of the replacement at a time ? I got the trigger and bar assembly but no connector even though I bought used and sent to you a trigger with bar AND connector. Your connector that I sent back , and did not get a replacement for is what failed. So now please spend more money at USPS and send me the replacement connector Thank you."
I had left you a voicemail on 2/18/20 to let you know that I was only sending you a replacement trigger and trigger bar because that was all you had returned to us. If you still have the safety plunger and connector that were included with the kit you originally purchased, please return them to us and I will be happy to replace those parts for you. Since this is a direct exchange, I can only send you replacements for what you have returned.[Feb. 26, 2020 - 8:39 AM] Email from Customer to Apex Customer Service
[Feb. 26, 2020 - 8:48 AM] Email from Customer Service to Scott
"That is fucking bullshit I sent a connector and the trigger bar . I kept the plunger. Now send me the fucking connector dipshit."
Do you mind reaching out to Mr. XXXX?[Feb. 26, 2020 - 1:06 PM] Email from Scott to Customer
Your language toward my staff is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. You’ve been hostile toward my staff from the start, yet we’ve been courteous to you. There is absolutely no reason for you to treat my staff this way.
Effective immediately, my staff are being instructed to send any future communications from you, to me personally. They will not answer any questions for you nor will they attempt to assist you in any way.
I finalized my results of the inspection I was doing on the trigger and bar you sent to us. As I suspected, the issue was lubrication. I installed your trigger bar into one of my demo guns, and removed all lubrication from the face of the connector, it resulted in an 8.5lb trigger pull, similar enough to your stated results that I accept your findings as you stated them to us. I removed the rear connector housing from the pistol, added appropriate grease between the trigger bar and connector, and reassembled the pistol. The trigger pull smoothed out and dropped down to 4.75lbs as expected. Though the trigger you sent us appears to have been heavily modified and painted in gold nail polish which appears to have been subsequently scraped off and the trigger body pivot hole was damaged from what appears to be the use of a hammer during the install (something that is not advised for install of a trigger into any Glock frame) the trigger body was not an issue in the end, it was a lack of lubrication.
In the matter of the Trigger Connector you say we owe you, though all of our shipping incoming inspection paperwork shows none was received, I’ll send one out today, at that point Apex is done doing business with you.
Sincerely, Scott Folk Chief Operations Officer Apex Tactical Specialties, Inc.[Feb. 26, 2020 - 2:28 PM] Email from Customer to Scott
[Feb. 26, 2020 - 2:39 PM] Email from Customer to Scott
Bullshit asshole and fuck off. You’re3 a fucking liar,I just now got hostile because you motherfuckers didn’t send me what you were supposed to send me and lied about what I sent. This is hostile assbag. I was not hostile iuntil =now and you ar4e fucking l9y9ing and making shit up and I don’t give a fuck because you soffry fucking cocksuckers all ready sent me the part you didn’t send now so I could give a fucking rat’s ass about what you cocksuckers will tolerate you dildonic butfucker. AND I AM LEAVING BAD FEEDBACK ABOUT this bogus part EVVERY WHERE I CAN bvecause it was a piece of sucking shit and could have gotten me killed if it failed in a defensive situation.
[Feb. 29, 2020 - 4:12 PM] Email from Customer to Scott
"Oh, and what they fuck are you going to do about it even if you weren’t lying through your fucking teeth you impotent idiot?"
[Feb. 29, 2020 - 4:16 PM] Email from Customer to Scott (Note: this email appears to be in response to Scott's Feb. 4 email in which Scott was responding to customer's comment he submitted to our blog on Feb. 3)
Before I delete your blowhard shit, let me add that I find the OEM Glock trigger parts getting smoother AND CRISPER as I use them, unlike your overpriced cheap pieces of shit parts that got mushy, less crisp and ultimately started breaking At THE EXTREME REAR AGAINST THE FRAME.
In my book, Charging me $100 of my hard earned money for such garbage is far more obscene that a couple fucks used as adjectives after you ripoff assbags claimed that I didn’t send the connector back so you weren’t sending a replacement As is the apparent cunts who lied their twats off claiming I’d been nasty from the beginning on the phone unless it was you who made that shit up on your own. I found them extremely nice and helpful on the phone and behave likewise, for your information. And any claim to the contrary is a bald face lie and no less obscene. But don’t worry all this is in my blog and tagged with key words to counter all the fucking untrue undoubtedly bought good reviews about how good APEX garbage is. Owe it’s good all right, for not more than 1000 rounds. But guess what, IT”S NOT NEARLY AS GOOD EVEN WHEN IT IS STILL WORKING AS is the OEM trigger and minus connector.
My momma was boned, just not 9 months ago, you dissengenuous asshole.
As we noted, the above exchange is exactly as we received it, and unedited. The photo below is of the (originally all black) trigger we received from the customer...exactly as it was received. Ultimately, this all came down to a simple problem of a lack of lubrication, which is essential for the interface between the connector and trigger bar on the Glock pistol. Without it – and the Glock owner's manual directs you to use lube – the trigger pull weight will begin to escalate, and as Scott explained in his reply, it nearly doubled. We hope this episode gives you a bit of insight as to how we handle customer service support issues. In the vast majority of cases things work out just fine and customers are glad they called Apex for assistance. But every once in a while things turn out a bit differently. Thankfully those are few and far between.
I just saw this and don’t recall writing anything about the shitty apex parts that failed in my blog at this point., let alone forwar5ding it to you, which I did not do, so I assume you are fantasizing again just like you do thinking the company you work for or own or whatever, actually makes reliable parts and didn’t buy all the phonygood reviews I saw online. I mean I actually left one myself after intiital installation, not realizinfg that I had just installed 1000 pull max lifetime parts on my glock.